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	<title>Comments on: BBA Ballot: National League Cy Young Award</title>
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		<title>By: KoK Tunes &#38; Links (10/22) &#124; Kings of Kauffman &#124; A Kansas City Royals Blog</title>
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		<title>By: Baseball Bloggers Alliance Selects Grienke, Lincecum As Cy Young Winners&#160;/&#160; Baseball Bloggers Alliance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baseball Bloggers Alliance Selects Grienke, Lincecum As Cy Young Winners&#160;/&#160; Baseball Bloggers Alliance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael Jong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Jong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick,

I call it the Tango method for voting for awards: choose the process, then figure out the results. It hasn&#039;t always agreed with me (in my MVP ballot, I had serious issues with my initial process chosen, though I think I failed to do the park adjustments for batters correctly and made errors there), but it is the right thing to do.

As for pitcher WAR, I&#039;m personally more of a fan of tRA, but they&#039;re about the same in terms of actual values. I do think Rally&#039;s method of taking RA and prorating defense behind them is good, as is potentially using PZR if it becomes available easily. But I think all of these values come out very similarly, so I don&#039;t fret too much. But again, I agree that you have to choose the approach beforehand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick,</p>
<p>I call it the Tango method for voting for awards: choose the process, then figure out the results. It hasn&#8217;t always agreed with me (in my MVP ballot, I had serious issues with my initial process chosen, though I think I failed to do the park adjustments for batters correctly and made errors there), but it is the right thing to do.</p>
<p>As for pitcher WAR, I&#8217;m personally more of a fan of tRA, but they&#8217;re about the same in terms of actual values. I do think Rally&#8217;s method of taking RA and prorating defense behind them is good, as is potentially using PZR if it becomes available easily. But I think all of these values come out very similarly, so I don&#8217;t fret too much. But again, I agree that you have to choose the approach beforehand.</p>
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		<title>By: vivaelpujols</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know this is very interesting Michael.  Although, you may take some scorn by others for using WAR as the sole determenant, I actually love it.  

To clarify, I don&#039;t love using WAR, at least FanGraphs&#039; version which is based off of FIP, as it&#039;s not really a great measure of pitching value, more skill.  Personally, I would use some something like RA-WAR adjusted for quality of defense.  I don&#039;t really like penlazing pitchers like Wainwright for pitching very well with runners on base. 

What I do love about this is that you picked a methodology before hand, and then reported the results, not the other way around.  That is exactly the way that people (BBWAA) should be doing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know this is very interesting Michael.  Although, you may take some scorn by others for using WAR as the sole determenant, I actually love it.  </p>
<p>To clarify, I don&#8217;t love using WAR, at least FanGraphs&#8217; version which is based off of FIP, as it&#8217;s not really a great measure of pitching value, more skill.  Personally, I would use some something like RA-WAR adjusted for quality of defense.  I don&#8217;t really like penlazing pitchers like Wainwright for pitching very well with runners on base. </p>
<p>What I do love about this is that you picked a methodology before hand, and then reported the results, not the other way around.  That is exactly the way that people (BBWAA) should be doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Jong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Jong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geo,

You are absolutely right and it&#039;s indeed well-deserving. My presumption is FanGraphs measured Greinke&#039;s WAR versus AL scoring, which makes his accomplishment all that more impressive. He was ridiculous this year, and deserves whatever honors he receives.</description>
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<p>You are absolutely right and it&#8217;s indeed well-deserving. My presumption is FanGraphs measured Greinke&#8217;s WAR versus AL scoring, which makes his accomplishment all that more impressive. He was ridiculous this year, and deserves whatever honors he receives.</p>
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