Over the weekend I took a gander at Joe Frisaro’s latest inbox piece, where he answers some mail from the readers. Sometimes these articles provide some insight to the team’s workings, but for the most part they are built to appease the MLB.com audience, which is of course no Beyond the Box Score group of readers. Still, sometimes it’s worth a look.
Well, this weekend I was interested because the highlighted question from the article title was this one.
Have the Marlins ever tried to put Dan Uggla at third, Chris Coghlan at second and Jorge Cantu at first? That sounds good to me.
– Cameron D., Rochester, N.Y.
Now, I think this is a question most Marlins fans have probably asked at one time or another. Just this recent offseason I discussed the possibility of moving Dan Uggla to third base, and I used the Fans Scouting Report to help me give an estimate of performance. So I think this is a question deserving of a fairly serious response about baseball. Well, what Frisaro gives us is a bunch of B.S. instead.
Here’s Frisaro’s response to the question, bit by bit.
The amount of e-mails and comments I’ve received from fans on this subject shows how much people like to tinker with lineups and positions. It is all fun to do when sitting around and tossing around ideas. The reality is, executing these plans at the big league level doesn’t always work out as it does on paper.
I take this as a sort of veiled insult. No one said it was going to be easy, but the question asked whether or not it was even attempted. I think it’s worth at least a discussion, but Frisaro tosses it out like it’s a half-brained, homer trade proposal to get Albert Pujols for Andrew Miller and Chris Volstad.
Uggla is a two-time All-Star at second base. He is comfortable at second base and wants to play second base. And he’s been a productive hitter there.
I understand the whole comfort business, but sometimes you just have to do what’s best for the team. Let’s face facts, Uggla is not a good second baseman. It doesn’t really matter that he made two All-Star teams as a second baseman. His defense at second is not very good. If you can improve his value by moving him to third base, then what difference does it make whether he made All-Star teams as a second baseman?
Alfonso Soriano felt the same way about moving from second to left field for the Washington Nationals in 2006. The team didn’t buckle when he said he would not take the field if they moved him. He eventually took the field. It happens.
Many times, when you move a productive player out of his comfort zone, you see a drop in performance. It happens. It’s not always easy to explain why.
Last year, the Marlins tried switching Emilio Bonifacio from his natural second-base position to third base. Reflecting back, the club feels part of Bonifacio’s struggles at the plate and in the field came from the adjustment to a position that didn’t come naturally to him.
Sure, it happens. But how are you supposed to know? Soriano moved to left field and was one of the best players in baseball in 2006. It isn’t as if you’re moving Uggla up the defensive spectrum in a move from second to third. This isn’t putting him at shortstop. That sentence regarding the performance drop seems like a completely arbitrary statement. There’s no support for that.
Frisaro thinks the support comes from the example of Emilio Bonifacio. Of course, it could have been because Bonifacio wasn’t ready for the majors as well, but that isn’t considered here. Given his minor league track record, my guess is that Bonifacio’s problems came more from being unable to handle major league pitching than they did from playing third base instead of second base.
If the team were to start moving players around on defense, it would be better to do it in Spring Training, so they have time to adapt. Making drastic changes midseason is more risky.
This stands as the only logical thing he mentioned in the piece. Most of these moves are made around Spring Training, when the games don’t count but you still can get plenty of reps. I too would not advise attempting this ploy midseason.
This isn’t Little League, where the starting pitcher goes to shortstop in the middle of the game and he is still the best player on the field. Not every player can bounce around the field and play at a high level without missing a beat.
I accept that. But why won’t Frisaro gives us a reason for this? He’s the one with access to the team. Ask some scouts, ask an infield coach, give us some insight in their minds about how Uggla’s skills would translate to third base. That would be the way to report such a thing. I did something like that using the Fans Scouting Report. I also did it in about two hours, tops. I understand Frisaro has a deadline to meet, but he couldn’t ask a few questions to his Marlins sources about this inquiry? How hard would it have been to get some quotes on whether Uggla’s arm could hold up at the position, or how his poor range would be hidden playing at third? Instead, you get this reasoning:
1) He’s been a second baseman for a while.
2) He’s comfortable as a second baseman.
3) He may lose his hitting stride because he’s out of his comfort zone.
None of those discusses Uggla’s defensive skill at all. For a question that regards defense, I’d expect a better answer. And Frisaro gives us no analysis. In fact, he not only provides no analysis on why the move by Uggla would be good or bad, but he also provides no commentary on the other moving parts in the scenario. There is no mention of how Chris Coghlan will play at second or how Jorge Cantu and Uggla compare at third. This answer was basically three paragraphs of denial and dismissal with no logical reasoning at all.
Look, I understand that Frisaro has deadlines to meet and also cannot spare, for one answer to an inbox question, the amount of time I spare for one blog post. But for someone with connections and resources to the team, I would expect him to offer a shred of analysis from the horse’s mouth. Spouting cliches and old wives’ tales about an issue gives us no such analysis.


It seems to me that beat writers, generally, identify with certain players and thereby project the players’ or team’s gut reactions, i.e., Uggla doesn’t WANT to play third = Uggla only hits when “happy” and will transform into Bonifacio at third.
Sidenote: I think the switcheroo proposed would/could work nicely, but almost all of the better platoon partners for Carroll are gone (save for Endy Chavez.)
Anton,
That would not surprise me at all. It just disappoints me that Frisaro undoubtedly can talk to scouts, yet offers no such insight in his article. I’m feel like JCR would have at least given me some scout’s reasoning.
As for the actual move, I don’t honestly believe playing Gaby or Brett would be any different, so I doubt the move would be necessary. I don’t think it adds up to all that much better or worse, but it’d be nice to hear some reasoning as to why, defensively, it wouldn’t work.
I read every article possible regarding the Marlins. I have read Frisario’s inbox for as long as it has been around. His answers are always bland, vanilla, cliché, and the man offers no opinion. I was really surprised to see him actually answer a question with some conviction. Although his answer is asinine, I am just happy he finally offered an opinion!
It also seems to me that he finally snapped. Every inbox edition is filled with stupid reader questions like “Why don’t the Marlins spend any money?” “Can we get Pedro Martinez, he will only cost 6 mil” “Why didn’t we sign Ben Sheets?” “Lets trade Uggla for Roy Halladay”, etc. I think he was too quick to dismiss the suggestion and didn’t give it any thought is because he sees silly suggestions all the time. If he had some time to actually think, maybe his answer would be different. Don’t get me wrong, the man usually does not offer an ounce of opinion.
Moti,
I definitely agree with you on the reader questions; I can’t count how many times I saw dumb trade offers, dumb signing suggestions, and repetitive questions on payroll in Frisaro’s mailbox. He’s absolutely right to dismiss those questions. But it’s a shame that he used a more lively dismissal (despite the lack of content) on a legitimate question, whereas he uses those bland, polite dismissals for things such as “Why don’t we try and sign Vladimir Guerrero?”
Very true, I completely agree. 2 months until the season begins! haha
Moti,
News has been slow these last few weeks. Can’t wait till pitchers and catchers report. Then maybe I can talk about how Spring Training isn’t about proving yourself and all that jazz.