Comments on: The hits and misses of Larry Beinfest, Pt. 1 http://marlinmaniac.com/2010/02/19/the-hits-and-misses-of-larry-beinfest-pt-1/ A Miami Marlins Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and More Mon, 06 May 2013 13:36:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: A Philosophical Question | Baseball Bloggers Alliance http://marlinmaniac.com/2010/02/19/the-hits-and-misses-of-larry-beinfest-pt-1/comment-page-1/#comment-2982 A Philosophical Question | Baseball Bloggers Alliance Sat, 04 Dec 2010 18:00:46 +0000 http://marlinmaniac.com/?p=1835#comment-2982 [...] Marlins, and was traded to the Texas Rangers at the 2003 trade deadline for closer Ugueth Urbina (an iffy move, but the Marlins did win the World Series in 2003, so I never got too worked up about it).* [...] [...] Marlins, and was traded to the Texas Rangers at the 2003 trade deadline for closer Ugueth Urbina (an iffy move, but the Marlins did win the World Series in 2003, so I never got too worked up about it).* [...]

]]> By: Michael Jong http://marlinmaniac.com/2010/02/19/the-hits-and-misses-of-larry-beinfest-pt-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1066 Michael Jong Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:22:49 +0000 http://marlinmaniac.com/?p=1835#comment-1066 John, Agreed. You had to figure that, at that time, arbitration would not have been taken; the economy was ripe for guys like Urbina to actually get signed for decent money even with Type A status getting in the way. It would not have happened today, but in 2004 I think it would've been a no-brainer. John,

Agreed. You had to figure that, at that time, arbitration would not have been taken; the economy was ripe for guys like Urbina to actually get signed for decent money even with Type A status getting in the way. It would not have happened today, but in 2004 I think it would’ve been a no-brainer.

]]> By: Michael Jong http://marlinmaniac.com/2010/02/19/the-hits-and-misses-of-larry-beinfest-pt-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1065 Michael Jong Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:21:24 +0000 http://marlinmaniac.com/?p=1835#comment-1065 JoeA, You're absolutely right, Beinfest had to deal with some interesting circumstances certainly. I think he's done a solid job overall, but there are always misses in these types of moves (Penny/Choi trade in particular sticks out in my mind). I think what he did to form up that 2006 squad was impressive. Sure, a lot of it was luck (Uggla, Ramirez growing into form at just the right time), but he had a strict need to trade away players and did the best he could. It helps that the team was already set with a lot of minor league talent that turned out just right (JJ and Willingham come to mind). JoeA,

You’re absolutely right, Beinfest had to deal with some interesting circumstances certainly. I think he’s done a solid job overall, but there are always misses in these types of moves (Penny/Choi trade in particular sticks out in my mind).

I think what he did to form up that 2006 squad was impressive. Sure, a lot of it was luck (Uggla, Ramirez growing into form at just the right time), but he had a strict need to trade away players and did the best he could. It helps that the team was already set with a lot of minor league talent that turned out just right (JJ and Willingham come to mind).

]]> By: John Herold http://marlinmaniac.com/2010/02/19/the-hits-and-misses-of-larry-beinfest-pt-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1062 John Herold Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:35:55 +0000 http://marlinmaniac.com/?p=1835#comment-1062 Too add on the annoyance of the Urbina trade, we also did not offer him arbitration after the season. With concern of injury, it was likely the right move (Urbina would miss the first weeks of the season, and got just 3.5 mil). However, it's still frustrating to know there was the possibility of at least getting two draft picks for him and we were unable to get them. I wouldn't be surprised if this was in the FO's mind when they traded for Urbina: We're giving up Gonzalez, but hopefully we can replace him in the draft. Things didn't work out that way though. Too add on the annoyance of the Urbina trade, we also did not offer him arbitration after the season. With concern of injury, it was likely the right move (Urbina would miss the first weeks of the season, and got just 3.5 mil). However, it’s still frustrating to know there was the possibility of at least getting two draft picks for him and we were unable to get them. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was in the FO’s mind when they traded for Urbina: We’re giving up Gonzalez, but hopefully we can replace him in the draft. Things didn’t work out that way though.

]]> By: JoeA. http://marlinmaniac.com/2010/02/19/the-hits-and-misses-of-larry-beinfest-pt-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1057 JoeA. Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:50:58 +0000 http://marlinmaniac.com/?p=1835#comment-1057 Michael, I remember the Choi/Penny trade being a bit puzzling at the time. Choi played the best Major League ball of his career while here and Penny was a key part of the rotation(although he was constantly in Mckeon's dog house). I think the most interesting aspect of this analysis of Beinfest is the unique circumstances with which he has to deal, being with the Fish. I think he has done remarkably well on those trades where he's selling and all of MLB knows he HAS to sell due to salary containts. The team has remained competitive, even after multiple "fire sales". Michael,

I remember the Choi/Penny trade being a bit puzzling at the time. Choi played the best Major League ball of his career while here and Penny was a key part of the rotation(although he was constantly in Mckeon’s dog house).
I think the most interesting aspect of this analysis of Beinfest is the unique circumstances with which he has to deal, being with the Fish. I think he has done remarkably well on those trades where he’s selling and all of MLB knows he HAS to sell due to salary containts. The team has remained competitive, even after multiple “fire sales”.

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