Comments on: How well do the Fish develop talent? http://marlinmaniac.com/2010/04/07/how-well-do-the-fish-develop-talent/ A Miami Marlins Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and More Mon, 06 May 2013 13:36:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Developing players a new Marlins problem? | Marlin Maniac | A Florida Marlins Blog http://marlinmaniac.com/2010/04/07/how-well-do-the-fish-develop-talent/comment-page-1/#comment-2688 Developing players a new Marlins problem? | Marlin Maniac | A Florida Marlins Blog Wed, 13 Oct 2010 17:50:40 +0000 http://marlinmaniac.com/?p=2239#comment-2688 [...] is always built on a nucleus of young talent, this has actually rarely been the case. I’ve discussed this topic before, but it bears repeating: the Marlins have never really had a team that was built in large [...] [...] is always built on a nucleus of young talent, this has actually rarely been the case. I’ve discussed this topic before, but it bears repeating: the Marlins have never really had a team that was built in large [...]

]]> By: Michael Jong http://marlinmaniac.com/2010/04/07/how-well-do-the-fish-develop-talent/comment-page-1/#comment-1647 Michael Jong Thu, 08 Apr 2010 20:48:56 +0000 http://marlinmaniac.com/?p=2239#comment-1647 aramgh, I agree that we should also consider whether the talent we trade also came here via trades of original Marlins. But how much of that is developing our own players and shipping them off, and how much of it is fleecing other GM in trades? The Ramirez/Sanchez acquisition is legitimate; we gave up Josh Beckett, who grew up in our organization. I'd also be willing to agree with Miller on that one. The others? We traded Adam Bostick and Jason Vargas for Lindstrom and got our money's worth. The primary for the Willis deal clearly was Matt Clement, not Alfonseca. None of these players spent any time in the minors for the Fish, which means we basically got them as either major league ready prospects or certainly guys who we did not develop in the minors. I think it really speaks to the one thing I think this FO does well, which is identify other people's talents and acquire them. I don't think the last 6-8 years of Marlins baseball has had a whole lot to do with the Fish developing their own talent, at least at the minor league level. How much development they received at the ML level is different, and I don't know how to answer that. aramgh,

I agree that we should also consider whether the talent we trade also came here via trades of original Marlins. But how much of that is developing our own players and shipping them off, and how much of it is fleecing other GM in trades? The Ramirez/Sanchez acquisition is legitimate; we gave up Josh Beckett, who grew up in our organization. I’d also be willing to agree with Miller on that one.

The others? We traded Adam Bostick and Jason Vargas for Lindstrom and got our money’s worth. The primary for the Willis deal clearly was Matt Clement, not Alfonseca. None of these players spent any time in the minors for the Fish, which means we basically got them as either major league ready prospects or certainly guys who we did not develop in the minors.

I think it really speaks to the one thing I think this FO does well, which is identify other people’s talents and acquire them. I don’t think the last 6-8 years of Marlins baseball has had a whole lot to do with the Fish developing their own talent, at least at the minor league level. How much development they received at the ML level is different, and I don’t know how to answer that.

]]> By: aramgh http://marlinmaniac.com/2010/04/07/how-well-do-the-fish-develop-talent/comment-page-1/#comment-1645 aramgh Thu, 08 Apr 2010 19:47:39 +0000 http://marlinmaniac.com/?p=2239#comment-1645 I think this is kind of selling the organization short. You sorta mentioned as a throw in that this doesn't include traded original Marlins, but I think thats unfair. A lot of other guys on this list are the direct result of guys the Marlins developed. Hanley, Willis, Sanchez, Miller & Lindstrom were all traded for guys who were developed by the Marlins (Alfonseca was signed by the Expos, but spent the bulk of his minor league career in the Marlin org.)I think a lot of what this list shows is that the Marlins are doing a pretty good job identifying who to trade for when their homegrown talent becomes too expensive. (Nolasco and Pinto may be the result of homegrown talent too, but my head starts to hurt trying to figure out where that train of trades begins) I think this is kind of selling the organization short. You sorta mentioned as a throw in that this doesn’t include traded original Marlins, but I think thats unfair. A lot of other guys on this list are the direct result of guys the Marlins developed. Hanley, Willis, Sanchez, Miller & Lindstrom were all traded for guys who were developed by the Marlins (Alfonseca was signed by the Expos, but spent the bulk of his minor league career in the Marlin org.)I think a lot of what this list shows is that the Marlins are doing a pretty good job identifying who to trade for when their homegrown talent becomes too expensive. (Nolasco and Pinto may be the result of homegrown talent too, but my head starts to hurt trying to figure out where that train of trades begins)

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