Comments on: Pinto’s hit-suppressing ways http://marlinmaniac.com/2010/04/27/pintos-hit-suppressing-ways/ A Miami Marlins Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and More Mon, 20 May 2013 06:51:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Michael Jong http://marlinmaniac.com/2010/04/27/pintos-hit-suppressing-ways/comment-page-1/#comment-2024 Michael Jong Mon, 03 May 2010 18:01:02 +0000 http://marlinmaniac.com/?p=2345#comment-2024 Andres, That's a very good question, and it's something I don't have the answer to either. They must think he has something out of the ordinary in terms of hit suppression, because we KNOW he walks too many guys and we also know he isn't going to strike out 30% of the batters he faces. Andres,

That’s a very good question, and it’s something I don’t have the answer to either. They must think he has something out of the ordinary in terms of hit suppression, because we KNOW he walks too many guys and we also know he isn’t going to strike out 30% of the batters he faces.

]]> By: Andres Velasco Coll http://marlinmaniac.com/2010/04/27/pintos-hit-suppressing-ways/comment-page-1/#comment-2023 Andres Velasco Coll Mon, 03 May 2010 17:18:29 +0000 http://marlinmaniac.com/?p=2345#comment-2023 I honestly wonder why the Marlins are so infatuated with keeping him in the clubhouse. He's pitched poorly for years. I honestly wonder why the Marlins are so infatuated with keeping him in the clubhouse. He’s pitched poorly for years.

]]> By: Michael Jong http://marlinmaniac.com/2010/04/27/pintos-hit-suppressing-ways/comment-page-1/#comment-2008 Michael Jong Fri, 30 Apr 2010 12:27:52 +0000 http://marlinmaniac.com/?p=2345#comment-2008 Andres, Well, everything I posted still has to be regressed to the mean. I would not make any claims about how a pitcher pitches in the clutch, my guess is that those splits are going to be HEAVILY regressed. Take him for what he is. He allows a ton of walks and not enough strikeouts to make up for it. He doesn't suppress hits as well as we'd like to think, and overall he just isn't a very good pitcher. FanGraphs probably has his talent level down. Andres,

Well, everything I posted still has to be regressed to the mean. I would not make any claims about how a pitcher pitches in the clutch, my guess is that those splits are going to be HEAVILY regressed.

Take him for what he is. He allows a ton of walks and not enough strikeouts to make up for it. He doesn’t suppress hits as well as we’d like to think, and overall he just isn’t a very good pitcher. FanGraphs probably has his talent level down.

]]> By: Andres Velasco Coll http://marlinmaniac.com/2010/04/27/pintos-hit-suppressing-ways/comment-page-1/#comment-1994 Andres Velasco Coll Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:54:10 +0000 http://marlinmaniac.com/?p=2345#comment-1994 Michael, What you posted essentially tells us that in stressful situations, his control goes to crap -- he walks batters like crazy in those situations (roughly 1/5th of the time). However, because his pitches suck more in higher leverage situations, he winds up getting a lot of ground balls and almost no home runs or fly balls. This wouldn't be so bad, but our defense can be notoriously spotty in high leverage situations. Renyel Pinto, consequently, is good when we don't need him to be, and bad when we most desperately need him to be good. Fangraphs shows he has absolutely no value -- or less! -- than a replacement player. Michael,

What you posted essentially tells us that in stressful situations, his control goes to crap — he walks batters like crazy in those situations (roughly 1/5th of the time). However, because his pitches suck more in higher leverage situations, he winds up getting a lot of ground balls and almost no home runs or fly balls. This wouldn’t be so bad, but our defense can be notoriously spotty in high leverage situations.

Renyel Pinto, consequently, is good when we don’t need him to be, and bad when we most desperately need him to be good. Fangraphs shows he has absolutely no value — or less! — than a replacement player.

]]> By: Michael Jong http://marlinmaniac.com/2010/04/27/pintos-hit-suppressing-ways/comment-page-1/#comment-1985 Michael Jong Wed, 28 Apr 2010 18:47:34 +0000 http://marlinmaniac.com/?p=2345#comment-1985 Smilin Jay, My argument is that, even if Pinto had some magical way to "pitch to weak contact," it certainly wasn't worth too much to us back in 2008-2009. By no means would I ever say "he's good;" this just considers his BIP without considering his awful K/BB/HR situation (particularly BB). For what it's worth, here are FanGraphs' splits for his career for low, medium, and high leverage situations (the higher the leverage, the more important or impacting the event is): Low Leverage (509 PA): 22.8% K%, 13.6% BB%, 8.3% HR/FB%, 40.3% GB%, .284 BABIP Medium Leverage (260 PA): 25.4% K%, 13.5% BB%, 15.6% HR/FB%, 40.3% GB%, .260 BABIP High Leverage (187 PA): 16.0% K%, 19.3% BB%, 5.6% HR/FB%, 53.3% GB%, .251 BABIP Take it as you will, know that it's a small sample size, and know that we would have to look at Pitch f/x data to know what's going on with him. Smilin Jay,

My argument is that, even if Pinto had some magical way to “pitch to weak contact,” it certainly wasn’t worth too much to us back in 2008-2009. By no means would I ever say “he’s good;” this just considers his BIP without considering his awful K/BB/HR situation (particularly BB).

For what it’s worth, here are FanGraphs’ splits for his career for low, medium, and high leverage situations (the higher the leverage, the more important or impacting the event is):

Low Leverage (509 PA): 22.8% K%, 13.6% BB%, 8.3% HR/FB%, 40.3% GB%, .284 BABIP
Medium Leverage (260 PA): 25.4% K%, 13.5% BB%, 15.6% HR/FB%, 40.3% GB%, .260 BABIP
High Leverage (187 PA): 16.0% K%, 19.3% BB%, 5.6% HR/FB%, 53.3% GB%, .251 BABIP

Take it as you will, know that it’s a small sample size, and know that we would have to look at Pitch f/x data to know what’s going on with him.

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